Re: the Internet Archive Wayback Machine

from Hugo Haas <hugo@larve.net>, Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:40:28 -0400

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gerald

* Gerald Oskoboiny <gerald@impressive.net> [2001-10-16 04:21-0400]
> This is so freakin cool!
>
> Internet Archive Wayback Machine
> http://web.archive.org/
[..]

Very good, I managed to find the Mutt propaganda page I wrote 3.5
years ago and that I erased at some point (never delete anything...):

http://archive1.alexa.com/web/19991007065525/http://www.via.ecp.fr/~hugo/mutt/

I was also amused to see that I wrote at the time:

* Last but not least, it is open-source software (GNU General Public
License), which is not Pine's case...

I had been really surprised when a few months ago, people realized
that Pine/Pico's licenses sucked[2]. This basically wasn't news.

I was trying to see what version I started using, and I found thanks
to Google a message[1] that I sent in comp.mail.mutt about Mutt
0.91.1.

1. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:comp.mail.mutt+author:Hugo+author:Haas&start=20&hl=en&scoring=r&rnum=26&selm=6hd10v%24qqm%241%40smilodon.ecp.fr
2. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/03/1529226&mode=thread
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Re: the Internet Archive Wayback Machine

from Gerald Oskoboiny <gerald@impressive.net>, Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:50:30 -0400

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gerald
hugo

On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 08:40:28AM -0400, Hugo Haas wrote:
> * Gerald Oskoboiny <gerald@impressive.net> [2001-10-16 04:21-0400]
> > This is so freakin cool!
> >
> > Internet Archive Wayback Machine
> > http://web.archive.org/
> [..]
>
> Very good, I managed to find the Mutt propaganda page I wrote 3.5
> years ago and that I erased at some point (never delete anything...):
>
> http://archive1.alexa.com/web/19991007065525/http://www.via.ecp.fr/~hugo/mutt/

hmm... that URI doesn't work for me (host not found), but this
one does:

http://web.archive.org/web/19991007065525/http://www.via.ecp.fr/~hugo/mutt/

I made a bookmarklet [2] to use to access this archive, so whenever
I get a 404 when trying to find something on the Web, I'm just a
couple clicks away from the most recently archived version! Cooool.

I think this is the biggest upgrade to the Web since Google...
For example, previously it wasn't possible to create persistent
links to Dilbert cartoons, because they disappear after a while.
But now instead of linking to them as:

http://www.comics.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20011016.html

you can just link to:

http://web.archive.org/http://www.comics.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20011016.html

(and whenever you access something and expect it to disappear
soon, you just need to access the bookmarklet once to cause Alexa
to archive a copy of it.)

I wonder what Alexa will do if e.g. the Dilbert folks complain
about copyright violations; I was surprised that kind of thing
wasn't already covered in their FAQs.

> I was trying to see what version I started using, and I found thanks
> to Google a message[1] that I sent in comp.mail.mutt about Mutt
> 0.91.1.

I started with version 0.93.2 (on Nov 29, 1998, as documented [3] :)

One of these days I would like to figure out when I started using
Linux. I remember running 1.2.8 at home for a while, but don't
remember if that was the first one I used. The other day I was in
an internet cafe in Edmonton, and a guy noticed I was running Linux
and asked how long I had been using it (and if I wanted to set up
a server for him :) I said about 6 years, but wasn't really sure.

[2] javascript:void(self.location='http://web.archive.org/web/'+self.location);
[3] http://impressive.net/people/gerald/1998/#11mutt

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Re: the Internet Archive Wayback Machine

from Hugo Haas <hugo@larve.net>, Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:39:16 -0400

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* Gerald Oskoboiny <gerald@impressive.net> [2001-10-18 01:50-0400]
> > Very good, I managed to find the Mutt propaganda page I wrote 3.5
> > years ago and that I erased at some point (never delete anything...):
> >
> > http://archive1.alexa.com/web/19991007065525/http://www.via.ecp.fr/~hugo/mutt/
>
> hmm... that URI doesn't work for me (host not found), but this
> one does:
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/19991007065525/http://www.via.ecp.fr/~hugo/mutt/

That's interesting. archive1.alexa.com is what I was getting, and I
couldn't validate the page (I wanted to see if my HTML was valid :-)
because validator couldn't resolve the name... Weird.

> I made a bookmarklet [2] to use to access this archive, so whenever
> I get a 404 when trying to find something on the Web, I'm just a
> couple clicks away from the most recently archived version! Cooool.

Coooool indeed.

[..]
> One of these days I would like to figure out when I started using
> Linux. I remember running 1.2.8 at home for a while, but don't
> remember if that was the first one I used. The other day I was in
> an internet cafe in Edmonton, and a guy noticed I was running Linux
> and asked how long I had been using it (and if I wanted to set up
> a server for him :) I said about 6 years, but wasn't really sure.

I documented that (I had to write about that: something that I
documented and that Gerald didn't had to be recorded).

A long time ago, I added myself[3] to the Linux counter[4]. I started
with Slackware in February 1996, to quickly move to Debian in August.
Life has never been the same since. ;-)

3. http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user
4. http://counter.li.org/
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Linux use start date (was Re: the Internet Archive Wayback Machine)

from Gerald Oskoboiny <gerald@impressive.net>, Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:14:46 -0400

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reagle
ij

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On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 07:39:16AM -0400, Hugo Haas wrote:
> * Gerald Oskoboiny <gerald@impressive.net> [2001-10-18 01:50-0400]
> [..]
> > One of these days I would like to figure out when I started using
> > Linux. I remember running 1.2.8 at home for a while, but don't
> > remember if that was the first one I used. The other day I was in
> > an internet cafe in Edmonton, and a guy noticed I was running Linux
> > and asked how long I had been using it (and if I wanted to set up
> > a server for him :) I said about 6 years, but wasn't really sure.
>
> I documented that (I had to write about that: something that I
> documented and that Gerald didn't had to be recorded).

I didn't say I didn't document it... I just don't know where :)

> A long time ago, I added myself[3] to the Linux counter[4]. I started
> with Slackware in February 1996, to quickly move to Debian in August.
> Life has never been the same since. ;-)

Oh yeah, good idea. Hmm... I tried to login to the linux counter site
using gerald@cs.ualberta.ca, and no worky. So I tried gerald@pobox.com,
and it said "sending your password to that address"; unfortunately I
let that address lapse a few years ago and someone else took it over.

But I just noticed it's available again, so I applied for it and got
the linux counter to resend me my password, and found my record:

http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=22562

("Started: sep 1995", i.e. exactly six years ago. Good guess :)

I think that's probably pretty close to when I started using it;
I don't remember if I filled out the linux counter info during my
first install, or when.

Oh... once I went through all that, I remembered that I could
probably find out the info using a Google search. [5]

I want to make a web page to keep track of this kind of thing
(various public profiles of myself), e.g. my profiles on slashdot,
advogato, sourceforge, etc.

> 3. http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user
> 4. http://counter.li.org/

that should be:
http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=28230

BTW, the Linux counter site misuses HTTP GET [6]; I'll have to
flame the maintainer about that. (tsk, the grand poobah of the
IETF [7] should know better!)

[5] http://www.google.com/search?q=oskoboiny+%22linux+counter%22
[6] http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2001-July/009086.html
[7] http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/

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Re: Linux use start date (was Re: the Internet Archive Wayback Machine)

from Joseph Reagle <reagle@mit.edu>, Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:38:57 -0400

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On Thursday 18 October 2001 11:14, Gerald Oskoboiny wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 07:39:16AM -0400, Hugo Haas wrote:
> > * Gerald Oskoboiny <gerald@impressive.net> [2001-10-18 01:50-0400]
> > A long time ago, I added myself[3] to the Linux counter[4]. I started
> > with Slackware in February 1996, to quickly move to Debian in August.
> > Life has never been the same since. ;-)

Ah, you newbies! <grin/> I first used linux back in 93/94 when my friend
Kevin (on the same floor in our dorm) installed it on his PC. It was sweet
because we could have one tty for emacs, and the other for the compiler,
and we didn't have to use the crappy vt100 terminals in the lounge, or go
all the way to CS to use the nice X boxes (HP9000s or SGIs). Before the
winter break I created my pile of ~42 floppies and my brother and I
installed it at home over the break, though we never could get the video
driver to work without giving us (literal) headaches.

That's also the time I got serious RSI and had to back off geeking all
together, and only eased back in very timidly by writing policy papers in
Word on my Win95 box (which was much less tempting to tweak, just had to
limit myself to email and Word).

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Re: Linux use start date (was Re: the Internet Archive Wayback Machine)

from "Ian B. Jacobs" <ij@w3.org>, Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:51:04 -0500

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Joseph Reagle wrote:
>
> On Thursday 18 October 2001 11:14, Gerald Oskoboiny wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 07:39:16AM -0400, Hugo Haas wrote:
> > > * Gerald Oskoboiny <gerald@impressive.net> [2001-10-18 01:50-0400]
> > > A long time ago, I added myself[3] to the Linux counter[4]. I started
> > > with Slackware in February 1996, to quickly move to Debian in August.
> > > Life has never been the same since. ;-)
>
> Ah, you newbies! <grin/> I first used linux back in 93/94 when my friend
> Kevin (on the same floor in our dorm) installed it on his PC.

I, too, started with Slackware in 1994. I had just moved back from
France to the US. In France, I had been working with Sparc stations
at INRIA, and I wanted to stick with Unix. I had something like v 0.9
of slackware, which I installed with no assistance on a Zeos desktop.

Years later, I migrated to RedHat on advice from various people at W3C.
Later, I migrated to Debian on advice from those same people.

Leave me alone. :)

_ Ian

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Re: the Internet Archive Wayback Machine

from Hugo Haas <hugo@larve.net>, Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:21:04 -0400

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* Hugo Haas <hugo@larve.net> [2001-10-18 07:39-0400]
> A long time ago, I added myself[3] to the Linux counter[4]. I started
> with Slackware in February 1996, to quickly move to Debian in August.
> Life has never been the same since. ;-)
>
> 3. http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user

Hmmm... I truncated the URI while pasting:

http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=28230

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