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A while ago I wrote about my backup scheme [1]; briefly: keep
everything in one master space and rsync it regularly to an
external USB drive, then swap that USB drive out once in a while
for another one that you keep offsite.

jwz just wrote something that recommends doing the same, but his
version is more entertaining. http://jwz.livejournal.com/801607.html

I thought I would take this opportunity to remind others to back
up their data: it's very cheap and easy to do this external USB
drive thing, and if you don't keep backups you'll regret it one
day.

For those of you with web sites hosted on my server, note that
your data is NOT backed up anywhere; if you don't back it up
yourself, it's just a matter of time until it's all lost.

I could easily back it up along with my stuff, but I don't want
to be responsible for your data because I would feel terrible if
I lost it somehow.

I have asked some of you about backups in the past and a few of
you have said you're not worried about backups because you have
extra copies of the photos on CD or something. But all the effort
you put into labelling and categorizing them would be lost, and
for most of us that's a non-trivial time investment.

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On Sat, Sep 29, 2007, Gerald Oskoboiny wrote:
> A while ago I wrote about my backup scheme [1]; briefly: keep
> everything in one master space and rsync it regularly to an
> external USB drive, then swap that USB drive out once in a while
> for another one that you keep offsite.
>
> jwz just wrote something that recommends doing the same, but his
> version is more entertaining. http://jwz.livejournal.com/801607.html

Totally agreed, although I can't let him get away with "use a film
camera" in the realm of not caring about backup. Film can be scanned at
a very high quality and backups properly made, but in addition,
silver-based negatives, if properly stored, have a life expectancy
clearly surpassing that of a DVD or hard drive.

Pity one can't easily make duplicate negatives, though.
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olivier

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Sorry for the blabla ;)

Olivier Thereaux (30 sept. 2007 - 16:41) :
> silver-based negatives, if properly stored, have a life expectancy
> clearly surpassing that of a DVD or hard drive.

Let's say that the digital age has not been long enough yet for  
proving this. ;)
150 years versus 50 years. It depends on which level we are talking.

  Information      Material Support
1 photo grain      film negative
2 photo code       dvd
3 photo code       magnetic system/hard drive

three cases,

1. traditional photo. The photo is part of the medium. The photo  
doesn't exist outside of the film negative and can't be reproduced in  
any way I think. If the negative is destroyed, the photo is destroyed  
for good.
It is high quality, and the information is partially accessible by  
eye with *mechanical* tools.  (very important in an unplugged  
scenario - global warming, etc. here insert here your catastrophe  
scenario)

2. Either coming from a film scan (loss copy) or a digital camera,  
the dvd is making a copy of the image on a device which is perceived  
as a permanent back-up. In fact it is not the policy for DVD should  
be the same than hard drives, and it's why it makes them in fact not  
practical. I think it might be the worse backup either, but has its  
own compacity for bookshelves and transportation. :)

3. Hard drive keeps somehow the policy of duplication and its  
automation a lot easier. The trouble for now is that there is no plug-
n-play system for the common consumer to back up system. Plus there's  
no real standard around archiving. A common format would help to  
develop software and hardwares which would work autonomously. If we  
keep reproducing the content of hard drives here and there, the life  
expectancy of the information could become longer than the film (if  
we still have energy for the devices.). The HD format doesn't matter  
as long as we keep transferring from hard drives to hard drives.

Never relies on only one hard drive.

The fact that the information on paper has a long life expectancy is  
not only because of the quality of the support, but also the fact  
that a text has been copied in many (book,magazine)-object and  
broadcast in many places. Here the strategy is not only to keep one  
copy, but many copies elsewhere in individual places.
Another strength. The information is accessible with our own eyes,  
without a reader.

> Pity one can't easily make duplicate negatives, though.

we can't. It is always a loss copy.


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Karl Dubost - Tokyo, Japon
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On Sep 30, 2007, at 1:42 PM, Gerald Oskoboiny wrote:

> A while ago I wrote about my backup scheme [1]; briefly: keep  
> everything in one master space and rsync it regularly to an external  
> USB drive, then swap that USB drive out once in a while for another  
> one that you keep offsite.
>
> jwz just wrote something that recommends doing the same, but his  
> version is more entertaining. http://jwz.livejournal.com/801607.html

"If you're using Windows, go fuck yourself." :)

Gerald, are you still happy with duplicity?

Dean

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* Dean Jackson <[email protected]> [2007-10-11 06:32+1000]

>Gerald, are you still happy with duplicity?

I'm still using it, but I haven't needed to restore anything from
backup yet.

I don't trust it enough to use it as my only backup.

Brackup has made progress since the last time I tried it:
http://brad.livejournal.com/tag/brackup

(but I wouldn't trust it on its own either)

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On Oct 11, 2007, at 7:32 AM, Gerald Oskoboiny wrote:

> * Dean Jackson <[email protected]> [2007-10-11 06:32+1000]
>
>> Gerald, are you still happy with duplicity?
>
> I'm still using it, but I haven't needed to restore anything from  
> backup yet.

Did you ever find a way around downloading the huge signature file  
each time?

> I don't trust it enough to use it as my only backup.

Right, I wouldn't either. I just want it as the offsite backup (using  
dreamhost). I could use regular rsync, but I like that duplicity does  
the encryption on the server side automatically.

> Brackup has made progress since the last time I tried it: http://brad.livejournal.com/tag/brackup
>
> (but I wouldn't trust it on its own either)

I'll check it out.

Dean

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* Dean Jackson <[email protected]> [2007-10-11 07:59+1000]

>Did you ever find a way around downloading [duplicity's] huge
>signature file each time?

No, but I haven't tried. I only run it about once a month.

One solution to that (and another annoying thing about duplicity,
that you have to start over if the full backup is interrupted)
would be to tell duplicity to backup to local disk, then rsync
that chunked+encrypted copy to the remote target.

But that requires you to have enough local disk space to store an
extra encrypted copy of everything you want to back up.

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Someone tried this one?

    rsnapshot is a filesystem snapshot utility
    for making backups of local and remote systems.
    -- rsnapshot
    http://www.rsnapshot.org/
    Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:27:02 GMT



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Karl Dubost - Tokyo, Japon
[email protected]

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Thanks for the backup reminder; mine was badly out-of-date.

I found this one link you provided particularly useful
(http://jwz.livejournal.com/801607.html):
     >  "If you're using Linux, it's something a lot like that. If you're
using Windows, go fuck yourself."

So, if you just happen to be running one of those O/S's that comprise +85%
of the world's desktops, I would like to mention an excellent Freeware
utility for Windows backups and synchronization (completely free; free does
exist outside of the OpenSource community in Windows).

The product is called SyncBack
(www.2brightsparks.com/syncback/syncback-hub.html). It well designed, easy
to use, and has all the options you would expect for a backup-feature-set
(in addition to the 'normal' backup mediums, it support backing up to a ZIP
file, transferring via FTP sites, Network Shares, etc...). One of it's more
powerful features is that of profiles - you can create different profiles
for different types of data.

My biggest risk right now is no complete offsite backup. I am looking at
some different options.

Curtis

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Subject: backup your data

A while ago I wrote about my backup scheme [1]; briefly: keep everything in
one master space and rsync it regularly to an external USB drive, then swap
that USB drive out once in a while for another one that you keep offsite.

jwz just wrote something that recommends doing the same, but his version is
more entertaining. http://jwz.livejournal.com/801607.html

I thought I would take this opportunity to remind others to back up their
data: it's very cheap and easy to do this external USB drive thing, and if
you don't keep backups you'll regret it one day.

For those of you with web sites hosted on my server, note that your data is
NOT backed up anywhere; if you don't back it up yourself, it's just a matter
of time until it's all lost.

I could easily back it up along with my stuff, but I don't want to be
responsible for your data because I would feel terrible if I lost it
somehow.

I have asked some of you about backups in the past and a few of you have
said you're not worried about backups because you have extra copies of the
photos on CD or something. But all the effort you put into labelling and
categorizing them would be lost, and for most of us that's a non-trivial
time investment.

[1] http://impressive.net/archives/fogo/[email protected]

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