"Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation"

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"Microsoft Corp.'s Windows operating-system chief, Jim
Allchin, says that freely distributed software code such as rival
Linux could stifle innovation and that legislators need to
understand the threat."

...

"I'm an American, I believe in the American Way,'' he said.
''I worry if the government encourages open source, and
I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers
to understand the threat.''

...

"Linux is the fastest-growing operating system program for
running server computers, according to research firm IDC.
It accounted for 27 percent of unit shipments of server
operating systems in 2000. Microsoft's Windows was the
most popular on that basis, with 41 percent."

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http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-4825719-RHAT.html?tag=ltnc
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Re: "Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation"

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At 16:19 2/15/2001 -0500, Ian Jacobs wrote:
>"I'm an American, I believe in the American Way,'' he said.
>''I worry if the government encourages open source, and
>I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers
>to understand the threat.''

Holy moley; sounds like he's trying to restart the UnAmerican Activities
Committee to route out those dirty commies... RED Hat, get it, get it.


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Re: "Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation"

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On Thu, Feb 15, 2001, Ian Jacobs wrote:
> "Microsoft Corp.'s Windows operating-system chief, Jim
> Allchin, says that freely distributed software code such as rival
> Linux could stifle innovation and that legislators need to
> understand the threat."
>
> ...
>
> "I'm an American, I believe in the American Way,'' he said.
[..]

Now I don't understand what "the American Way" is.

After watching the Simpsons, my understanding was that the American
way was to do a half-assed job:

- From Simpsoncalifragilisticexpiala-D'oh-cious (episode 3G03[1]):

            Shary: If there's a task that must be done,
                   Don't turn your tail and run,
                   Don't pout, don't sob,
                   Just do a half-assed job!

                   If... you... cut every corner
                   It is really not so bad,
                   Everybody does it,
                   Even mom and dad.
                   If nobody sees it,
                   Then nobody gets mad,
             Bart: It's the American way!

- From The PTA Disbands (episode 2F19[2]):

   Homer: Lousy teachers, trying to palm off our kids on us!
    Lisa: But, Dad, by striking, they're trying to effect a change in
  management so that they can be happier and more productive.
   Homer: Lisa, if you don't like your job, you don't strike: you just go
  in every day and do it really half-assed.  That's the American
  way.

I guess that it is not what this guy was trying to say. :-)

Hugo, learning English through the Simpsons for the past 10 years.

 1. http://www.snpp.com/episodes/3G03.html
 2. http://www.snpp.com/episodes/2F19.html

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Re: "Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation"

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On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 07:15:48PM -0500, Hugo Haas wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2001, Ian Jacobs wrote:
> > "Microsoft Corp.'s Windows operating-system chief, Jim
> > Allchin, says that freely distributed software code such as rival
> > Linux could stifle innovation and that legislators need to
> > understand the threat."
> >
> > ...
> >
> > "I'm an American, I believe in the American Way,'' he said.

I found this excellent related article from Stallman last week:

http://scriptingnews.userland.com/stories/storyReader$1135

| Stallman: The GNU GPL and the American Way
| by Richard Stallman.
|
| Microsoft describes the GNU General Public License (GNU GPL) as
| an "open source" license, and says it is against the American
| Way. To understand the GNU GPL, and recognize how it embodies the
| American Way, you must first be aware that the GPL was not
| designed for open source.
|
| The Open Source Movement, which was launched in 1998, aims to
| develop powerful, reliable software and improved technology, by
| inviting the public to collaborate in software development. Many
| developers in that movement use the GNU GPL, and they are welcome
| to use it. But the ideas and logic of the GPL cannot be found in
| the Open Source Movement. They stem from the deeper goals and
| values of the Free Software Movement.
|
| The Free Software Movement was founded in 1984, but its
| inspiration comes from the ideals of 1776: freedom, community,
| and voluntary cooperation. This is what leads to free enterprise,
| to free speech, and to free software.
|
| As in "free enterprise" and "free speech", the "free" in "free
| software" refers to freedom, not price; specifically, it means
| that you have the freedom to study, change, and redistribute the
| software you use. These freedoms permit citizens to help
| themselves and help each other, and thus participate in a
| community. This contrasts with the more common proprietary
| software, which keeps users helpless and divided: the inner
| workings are secret, and you are prohibited from sharing the
| program with your neighbor. Powerful, reliable software and
| improved technology are useful byproducts of freedom, but the
| freedom to have a community is important in its own right.
|
| We could not establish a community of freedom in the land of
| proprietary software where each program had its lord. We had to
| build a new land in cyberspace--the free software GNU operating
| system, which we started writing in 1984. In 1991, when GNU was
| almost finished, the kernel Linux written by Linus Torvalds
| filled the last gap; soon the free GNU/Linux system was
| available. Today millions of users use GNU/Linux and enjoy the
| benefits of freedom and community.
|
| I designed the GNU GPL to uphold and defend the freedoms that
| define free software--to use the words of 1776, it establishes
| them as inalienable rights for programs released under the GPL.
| It ensures that you have the freedom to study, change, and
| redistribute the program, by saying that nobody is authorized to
| take these freedoms away from you by redistributing the program.
|
| For the sake of cooperation, we encourage others to modify and
| extend the programs that we publish. For the sake of freedom, we
| set the condition that these modified versions of our programs
| must respect your freedom just like the original version. We
| encourage two-way cooperation by rejecting parasites: whoever
| wishes to copy parts of our software into his program must let us
| use parts of that program in our programs. Nobody is forced to
| join our club, but those who wish to participate must offer us
| the same cooperation they receive from us.  That makes the system
| fair.
|
| Millions of users, tens of thousands of developers, and companies
| as large as IBM, Intel, and Sun, have chosen to participate on
| this basis.  But some companies want the advantages without the
| responsibilities.
|
| From time to time, companies have said to us, "We would make an
| improved version of this program if you allow us to release it
| without freedom." We say, "No thanks--your improvements might be
| useful if they were free, but if we can't use them in freedom,
| they are no good at all." Then they appeal to our egos, saying
| that our code will have "more users" inside their proprietary
| programs. We respond that we value our community's freedom more
| than an irrelevant form of popularity.
|
| Microsoft surely would like to have the benefit of our code
| without the responsibilities. But it has another, more specific
| purpose in attacking the GNU GPL. Microsoft is known generally
| for imitation rather than innovation. When Microsoft does
| something new, its purpose is strategic--not to improve computing
| for its users, but to close off alternatives for them.
|
| Microsoft uses an anticompetitive strategy called "embrace and
| extend". This means they start with the technology others are
| using, add a minor wrinkle which is secret so that nobody else
| can imitate it, then use that secret wrinkle so that only
| Microsoft software can communicate with other Microsoft software.
| In some cases, this makes it hard for you to use a non-Microsoft
| program when others you work with use a Microsoft program. In
| other cases, this makes it hard for you to use a non-Microsoft
| program for job A if you use a Microsoft program for job B.
| Either way, "embrace and extend" magnifies the effect of
| Microsoft's market power.
|
| No license can stop Microsoft from practicing "embrace and
| extend" if they are determined to do so at all costs. If they
| write their own program from scratch, and use none of our code,
| the license on our code does not affect them. But a total rewrite
| is costly and hard, and even Microsoft can't do it all the time.
| Hence their campaign to persuade us to abandon the license that
| protects our community, the license that won't let them say,
| "What's yours is mine, and what's mine is mine." They want us to
| let them take whatever they want, without ever giving anything
| back. They want us to abandon our defenses.
|
| But defenselessness is not the American Way. In the land of the
| brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL.
|
| Addendum: Microsoft says that the GPL is against "intellectual
| property rights." I have no opinion on "intellectual property
| rights," because the term is too broad to have a sensible opinion
| about. It is a catch-all, covering copyrights, patents,
| trademarks, and other disparate areas of law; areas so different,
| in the laws and in their effects, that any statement about all of
| them at once is surely simplistic. To think intelligently about
| copyrights, patents or trademarks, you must think about them
| separately. The first step is declining to lump them together as
| "intellectual property".
|
| My views about copyright take an hour to expound, but one general
| principle applies: it cannot justify denying the public important
| freedoms. As Abraham Lincoln put it, "Whenever there is a
| conflict between human rights and property rights, human rights
| must prevail." Property rights are meant to advance human
| well-being, not as an excuse to disregard it.
|
| Copyright 2001 Richard Stallman
| Verbatim copying and distribution of this entire article are
| permitted in any medium without royalty provide the copyright
| notice and this notice are preserved.

(unfortunately, UserLand/Winer isn't very clear about where this
article came from: when it was written, if it was copied there from
elsewhere, etc. I can't find any references to it on slashdot or
the gnu web site.)

If I had seen this article a day or two earlier I could have asked
Stallman about it in person because I saw him outside the 'tute
when I was buying food from the trucks. :)

> [..]
>
> Now I don't understand what "the American Way" is.
>
> After watching the Simpsons, my understanding was that the American
> way was to do a half-assed job:
>
> - From Simpsoncalifragilisticexpiala-D'oh-cious (episode 3G03[1]):
>
>              Shary: If there's a task that must be done,
>                     Don't turn your tail and run,
>                     Don't pout, don't sob,
>                     Just do a half-assed job!
>
>                     If... you... cut every corner
>                     It is really not so bad,
>                     Everybody does it,
>                     Even mom and dad.
>                     If nobody sees it,
>                     Then nobody gets mad,
>               Bart: It's the American way!

>   1. http://www.snpp.com/episodes/3G03.html

:)

That episode was on Fox last night at 11pm...

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