Re: Spam filters

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On Mon, Dec 18, 2000, Curtis Johnstone wrote:
> I would like to write a "double spam" anti-spam filter. In addition to
> filtering rubbish, once the filter (or user) has found a 'spammer'
> (via the originator e-mail address), any messages received from the
> spammer triggers 100 messages (filter configurable) back to that
> originator address. Even if the originator's mailbox has magically
> disappeared, hopefully it would cause pain for the ISP's that allow
> spammers to work.

Hmmm... I am not sure that it is a good idea, especially because
spammers almost often use a fake email address. However, I thought that
there was a law which was forcing them to use a valid one, or at least
provide a way to write them back.

I always wondered if it was possible to sue spammers - I am in the US,
so why not?

If I say : "My email address is [email protected]. You may use this
address only if you are my parents or cousins. Any other person using it
without my approval will be prosecuted.", what value does it have?

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RE: Spam filters

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Yeah it is easy enough to spoof an SMTP address. Usually in the message
headers there is enough information to make a valid attempt at the address
or the Gateway though (of course if it went through a gateway that allow
relaying you just nailed the wrong person). I just got a spam from an e-mail
address : "uniqueproduct" just now (that's all in the originator address --
no '@' or right-hand side). The message header says shows it came from the
gateway : (nwb1.nwb.co.jp [210.164.95.2]) -- see below. I telneted to port
25 and it accepted a message to "uniqueproduct". Who knows where it actually
went though.

I am very surprised there has not been more (any?) lawsuits in the U.S.
claiming loss productivity / downtime from mass spammers. The laws are
probably slippery and lack precedent.

Curtis.


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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On
Behalf Of Hugo Haas
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 10:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Spam filters


On Mon, Dec 18, 2000, Curtis Johnstone wrote:
> I would like to write a "double spam" anti-spam filter. In addition to
> filtering rubbish, once the filter (or user) has found a 'spammer'
> (via the originator e-mail address), any messages received from the
> spammer triggers 100 messages (filter configurable) back to that
> originator address. Even if the originator's mailbox has magically
> disappeared, hopefully it would cause pain for the ISP's that allow
> spammers to work.

Hmmm... I am not sure that it is a good idea, especially because
spammers almost often use a fake email address. However, I thought that
there was a law which was forcing them to use a valid one, or at least
provide a way to write them back.

I always wondered if it was possible to sue spammers - I am in the US,
so why not?

If I say : "My email address is [email protected]. You may use this
address only if you are my parents or cousins. Any other person using it
without my approval will be prosecuted.", what value does it have?

--
Hugo Haas <[email protected]> - http://larve.net/people/hugo/
- I know you feel bad about the juice incident, but I'm sure you can
make up for it somehow. - That's it! Somehow! -- Homer Jay

Re: Spam filters

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On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 10:38:00PM -0500, Hugo Haas wrote:
:
> I always wondered if it was possible to sue spammers - I am in
> the US, so why not?

The other day on the list-managers list I read:

   [...] some states have written anti-spam
   laws with teeth.  See www.suespammers.org.  One fellow in
   Colorado claims to have collected $13k from spammers (money in
   hand, not just court awards).

   -- murr rhame
      http://www.egroups.com/message/list-managers/10638
      mid:[email protected]

Hmm... seems like it was actually in Washington state, not
Colorado, unless that $13k is just a coincidence:

   [Suespammers] Suing Spammers Successfully in WA
   http://www.suespammers.org/pipermail/suespammers/2000-July/000318.html

(linked from http://www.suespammers.org/ )

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