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Hi,
On this complicated matter, I finally switched entirely to GMail 6 months
ago and I'm still very happy about that. They are three very big advantages
in using GMail over any other mail solutions I used previously:
- Instant search: full-text, always available, always up to date, nearly
instantaneous. Advanced search works perfectly.
- Archival: A notion I discovered using GMail : Your inbox is composed of
two folders, one that contains the "current emails" you can access by
default when opening your inbox and one "archive" that contains any other
mails that you archived previously: Just like storing your last-year/month
emails in a separate folder, archiving an email makes it disappear from the
view you used usually. But still, it is very simple to access your archived
mail. In my current main GMail account, I have 28 Conversations visible (th=
e
thread notion we have in Mutt, except that if you archive a thread and
someones replies to it, it comes back entirely into your inbox) and 2954
Conversations in my archive folder (where I never go unless I'm searching i=
n
it...).
- labels: Labels are like folders, except that you can stick more than one
on a given Conversation. You can assign a label via GMail filters (just
really like procmail will dispatch your email). Oh and "Inbox" (the non
archived emails) is also a label like any other. You can navigate into you
label via a small list on the left of GMail interface and of course, use th=
e
search engine to make some hand made searches ("list:(fogo.impressive.net)
label:Inbox from:Karl" will list all Conversations in which Karl sent a
mail, in my inbox, and coming from fogo). Off course, you can have a nice
URI for this search, here it is:
https://mail.google.com/mail/?search=3Dinbox&shva=3D1#search/list%3A(fogo.i=
mpressive.net)+label%3AInbox+from%3AKarl<
https://mail.google.com/mail/?sear=
ch=3Dinbox&shva=3D1#search/list%3A%28fogo.impressive.net%29+label%3AInbox+f=
rom%3AKarl>
.
On the whole, this changed my vision of email.
Compared to having mutt on my private server, I need to delete some mail
because GMail currently only offers 7284Mb of storage for my mail. So I
delete all the useless junk I receive and keep only stuff I might need
someday. This is still 95% of my email.
I never, never forget anything and if I forgot, I can remember just by
typing some search terms in the search form. Before, it was a pain to searc=
h
for something which was in my email (grep -ri "From:
[email protected]"...).
My inbox is always very clean: Only the "pending" Conversation are in it an=
d
I now use more and more Labels to sort my mail out.
Drawbacks:
There are some.
- There IS one big: All my mail are belong to Google. This is not
nothing.
- You cannot easily add script support to GMail (there are some
greasemonkey extensions, but I don't like this). Google is adding some n=
ew
experimental features to GMail via their labs, but no GPG yet, and I don=
't
think I'd trust Google for that anyway.
- If GMail is down, your mail is not available. If GMail decides to
destroy your email, you lose your mail (seems it happened with some peop=
le).
I use GMail Backup[1] to regularly backup my mail from Google servers.
There is no opensource alternative right now that implements these 3
features I just described so I guess I'll keep that this way for a while.
I tried all these combinations of client/helpers for the last years :
- mutt + spamassassin + procmail with auto-rotating dated folders
- sup, a CLI ruby mua supporting labels, archival and FT search via
Ferret. Promising, but unicode support was awful.
- Namazu as a search engine, difficult to implement, not really easy to
use with mbox folders.
At work, I use a Thunderbird extension that provides GMail features, It's
called GMailUI and has the Archive feature and the some power-search
built-in.
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Pierre Baillet <
[email protected]>
1:
http://www.gmail-backup.com/
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Ian Jacobs <
[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On 13 Jan 2009, at 11:24 AM, Karl Dubost wrote:
>
>
>> Le 13 janv. 2009 =E0 16:17, Ian Jacobs a =E9crit :
>>
>>> 1) I leave everything in my inbox until I've dealt with it. I prefer th=
at
>>> to moving around.
>>>
>>
>> I don't move it around. :) procmail power. the rules are in the blog pos=
t.
>>
>>
>>> 2) Once managed, I move it to an archive (all messages for that calenda=
r
>>> year),
>>> which I can search.
>>>
>>
>> which means I don't have to do that.
>>
>
>
> Your cost is up front: moving around to various folders to look at mail.
> Mine is after: moving to various folders after looking at it.
>
> _ Ian
>
> --
> Ian Jacobs (
[email protected])
http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
> Tel: +1 718 260 9447
>
>
>
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Hi,<br><br>On this complicated matter, I finally switched entirely to GMail=
6 months ago and I'm still very happy about that. They are three very =
big advantages in using GMail over any other mail solutions I used previous=
ly:<br>
<br>- Instant search: full-text, always available, always up to date, nearl=
y instantaneous. Advanced search works perfectly.<br>- Archival: A notion I=
discovered using GMail : Your inbox is composed of two folders, one that c=
ontains the "current emails" you can access by default when openi=
ng your inbox and one "archive" that contains any other mails tha=
t you archived previously: Just like storing your last-year/month emails in=
a separate folder, archiving an email makes it disappear from the view you=
used usually. But still, it is very simple to access your archived mail. I=
n my current main GMail account, I have 28 Conversations visible (the threa=
d notion we have in Mutt, except that if you archive a thread and someones =
replies to it, it comes back entirely into your inbox) and 2954 Conversatio=
ns in my archive folder (where I never go unless I'm searching in it...=
).<br>
- labels: Labels are like folders, except that you can stick more than one =
on a given Conversation. You can assign a label via GMail filters (just rea=
lly like procmail will dispatch your email). Oh and "Inbox" (the =
non archived emails) is also a label like any other. You can navigate into =
you label via a small list on the left of GMail interface and of course, us=
e the search engine to make some hand made searches ("list:(<a href=3D=
"
http://fogo.impressive.net">fogo.impressive.net</a>) label:Inbox from:Karl=
" will list all Conversations in which Karl sent a mail, in my inbox, =
and coming from fogo). Off course, you can have a nice URI for this search,=
here it is: <a href=3D"
https://mail.google.com/mail/?search=3Dinbox&sh=
va=3D1#search/list%3A%28fogo.impressive.net%29+label%3AInbox+from%3AKarl">h=
ttps://mail.google.com/mail/?search=3Dinbox&shva=3D1#search/list%3A(fog=
o.impressive.net)+label%3AInbox+from%3AKarl</a>.<br>
<br>On the whole, this changed my vision of email.<br><br>Compared to havin=
g mutt on my private server, I need to delete some mail because GMail curre=
ntly only offers 7284Mb of storage for my mail. So I delete all the useless=
junk I receive and keep only stuff I might need someday. This is still 95%=
of my email. <br>
<br>I never, never forget anything and if I forgot, I can remember just by =
typing some search terms in the search form. Before, it was a pain to searc=
h for something which was in my email (grep -ri "From:
[email protected]"...=
).<br>
<br>My inbox is always very clean: Only the "pending" Conversatio=
n are in it and I now use more and more Labels to sort my mail out.<br><br>=
Drawbacks:<br><br>There are some. <br><br><ul><li>There IS one big: All my =
mail are belong to Google. This is not nothing.</li>
<li>You cannot easily add script support to GMail (there are some greasemon=
key extensions, but I don't like this). Google is adding some new exper=
imental features to GMail via their labs, but no GPG yet, and I don't t=
hink I'd trust Google for that anyway.</li>
<li>If GMail is down, your mail is not available. If GMail decides to destr=
oy your email, you lose your mail (seems it happened with some people). I u=
se GMail Backup[1] to regularly backup my mail from Google servers.</li>
</ul>There is no opensource alternative right now that implements these 3 f=
eatures I just described so I guess I'll keep that this way for a while=
.<br><br>I tried all these combinations of client/helpers for the last year=
s :<br>
<ul><li>mutt + spamassassin + procmail with auto-rotating dated folders<br>=
</li><li>sup, a CLI ruby mua supporting labels, archival and FT search via =
Ferret. Promising, but unicode support was awful.<br></li><li>Namazu as a s=
earch engine, difficult to implement, not really easy to use with mbox fold=
ers.<br>
</li></ul>At work, I use a Thunderbird extension that provides GMail featur=
es, It's called GMailUI and has the Archive feature and the some power-=
search built-in.<br><br clear=3D"all">-- <br>Pierre Baillet <<a href=3D"=
mailto:
[email protected]">
[email protected]</a>><br>
<br>1: <a href=3D"
http://www.gmail-backup.com/">
http://www.gmail-backup.com=
/</a><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Ia=
n Jacobs <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:
[email protected]">
[email protected]</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><=
div class=3D"Wj3C7c"><br>
On 13 Jan 2009, at 11:24 AM, Karl Dubost wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
Le 13 janv. 2009 =E0 16:17, Ian Jacobs a =E9crit :<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
1) I leave everything in my inbox until I've dealt with it. I prefer th=
at to moving around.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I don't move it around. :) procmail power. the rules are in the blog po=
st.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
2) Once managed, I move it to an archive (all messages for that calendar ye=
ar),<br>
which I can search.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
which means I don't have to do that.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br></div></div>
Your cost is up front: moving around to various folders to look at mail.<br=
>
Mine is after: moving to various folders after looking at it.<br><font colo=
r=3D"#888888">
<br>
_ Ian</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"Wj3C7c"><br>
--<br>
Ian Jacobs (<a href=3D"mailto:
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">
[email protected]</a>) &=
nbsp; <a href=3D"
http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/</a><br>
Tel: =
+1 718 260 94=
47<br>
<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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